the WPG goalies case (4gp limitation)

[Mike]

I'm going to leave here all the posts involving this topic, as it because a rules based discussion in the wrong thread.

[The BBKL Insider]

luke is running the risk of going over goalie starts for the week as he's started 2 starters. Risky move that could pay off or backfire. I believe once you have 5 goalie starts in any given week you void all goalie stats?

If Luke ends up pulling the crazy upset and loses due to goalie GP that would suck.

it would as he could easily upset me. I dont have my 2 best h2h players for the week in Palat and Little. So this could be his week. For his sake i hope Lindback doesn't get 3/4 starts and Lehtonen getting 2/2 starts.

[kyuss]

if that 4 games limit was a hard one (like, erasing all stats if exceeded) that would be retarded imho, and this case makes for a good example:

Luke's better G only plays 2 games, and while he has another G on his roster he should not play him because something out of his control might happen?

I bet I voted against a hard limit when there was a debate over it.
Fact is, I wonder if a resolution was ever reached; if it didn't end up affecting the matchup outcome (which would have forced a resolution to be found), it might have ended up as one of those issues that get discussed without ever reaching a decision and an official regulation.

[Shoalzie]

Eric also has an interesting goalie situation with Mason and Mrazek.

[The BBKL Insider]

if that 4 games limit was a hard one (like, erasing all stats if exceeded) that would be retarded imho, and this case makes for a good example:

Luke's better G only plays 2 games, and while he has another G on his roster he should not play him because something out of his control might happen?

I bet I voted against a hard limit when there was a debate over it.
Fact is, I wonder if a resolution was ever reached; if it didn't end up affecting the matchup outcome (which would have forced a resolution to be found), it might have ended up as one of those issues that get discussed without ever reaching a decision and an official regulation.

i'm going to be honest, i dont really care if he goes over tbh. If he beats me he beats me, i wont be asking for an overturn because if i actually went on to win the league it would feel like it was a forced win.

[Shoalzie]

Honorable stance, Steven...seems almost unfair for him now to have an illegal goalie situation when it was fine for the regular season. It really all depends on the schedule for the given week for how many games a team can have with their skaters and goalies. Having more GP doesn't guarantee category wins but it doesn't hurt either.

[The BBKL Insider]

Honorable stance, Steven...seems almost unfair for him now to have an illegal goalie situation when it was fine for the regular season. It really all depends on the schedule for the given week for how many games a team can have with their skaters and goalies. Having more GP doesn't guarantee category wins but it doesn't hurt either.

no it certainly doesn't, and one of his goalies plays for the worst team in the NHL, so if he beats me because of better goalie stats he deserves to beat me. I'm not too worried about it to be honest. I expect a close week with Luke as his team pairs up with mine very nicely/close.

should be a fun week

[Matthew]

Could just disallow the stats from the 5th game played.

Anyways, fantrax says Hackett and not Lindberg is playing tonight.

[Matthew]

Given Monk's goaltenders have already played 4 times this scoring period, a decision should probably be made on how that situation will be handled before his goalies (Who both play tonight) play his 5th & 6th games.

- illegal roster
- only count first 4 games
- count all his goalie games

Or has a decision already been made?

These goalie games could be the deciding factor for that matchup given how tight it is.

[kyuss]

my guess: Steve sneaks out the W anyway and a mess is avoided.

[Matthew]

Maybe, but it is really close right now. May as well make a mutual decision before to avoid the potential mess.

It's 9-7 for LA, but the jets are only 1 assist behind, 1 point behind, 5 shtoi minutes behind, and are tied in W. This could easily swing, given each team only has 16 games left (NVM this stat. They both have 16 yet to play, but Monk has 2 currently playing, while Steve has 8 currently playing).

[The BBKL Insider]

ya, i dont care, i won last year so its someone elses turn.

[Fraser]

For me an illegal roster is an illegal roster. It shouldn't matter how much of an upset it is, or the past successes of their opponent. All goalie stats should be forfeited for the week.

[Tony]

ya, i dont care, i won last year so its someone elses turn.

Commie

[kyuss]

For me an illegal roster is an illegal roster. It shouldn't matter how much of an upset it is, or the past successes of their opponent. All goalie stats should be forfeited for the week.

there is an obvious and key difference in this G thing.

The lineup was NOT at all illegal when dressed. It became illegal during the week, without the GM being allowed to address it and avoid it.

And it's not like he could have known Hackett and Enroth would have been given 0 starts on the week...

so he should have only dressed the G of the worst team of the league without using his better G for fears something might happen and a CC decision might follow?
or his G that would have probabkly only played 1 game because his other G could have played 4 games out of 4?

[Fraser]

For me an illegal roster is an illegal roster. It shouldn't matter how much of an upset it is, or the past successes of their opponent. All goalie stats should be forfeited for the week.

there is an obvious and key difference in this G thing.

The lineup was NOT at all illegal when dressed. It became illegal during the week, without the GM being allowed to address it and avoid it.

And it's not like he could have known Hackett and Enroth would have been given 0 starts on the week...

so he should have only dressed the G of the worst team of the league without using his better G for fears something might happen and a CC decision might follow?
or his G that would have probabkly only played 1 game because his other G could have played 4 games out of 4?

Well with the rules currently in place it would suggest that if you want to be a legitimate playoff contender, or perhaps a better word would be a risk-adverse team builder. You would build your team around a goalie system, rather than individual goaltenders on separate teams to avoid any risk of this occurring whatsoever.

[kyuss]

For me an illegal roster is an illegal roster. It shouldn't matter how much of an upset it is, or the past successes of their opponent. All goalie stats should be forfeited for the week.

there is an obvious and key difference in this G thing.

The lineup was NOT at all illegal when dressed. It became illegal during the week, without the GM being allowed to address it and avoid it.

And it's not like he could have known Hackett and Enroth would have been given 0 starts on the week...

so he should have only dressed the G of the worst team of the league without using his better G for fears something might happen and a CC decision might follow?
or his G that would have probabkly only played 1 game because his other G could have played 4 games out of 4?

Well with the rules currently in place it would suggest that if you want to be a legitimate playoff contender, or perhaps a better word would be a risk-adverse team builder. You would build your team around a goalie system, rather than individual goaltenders on separate teams to avoid any risk of this occurring whatsoever.

it's not like anyone who wants to have a full system can have it.

There are other GMs who are entitled to keep their G who currently is a back-up, like YOU with Vasilevsky (just not to mention a more personal case).

And there are NHL trades that can break tandems anyway (Lehtonen and Lindback were in fact a tandem!)

[Fraser]

For me an illegal roster is an illegal roster. It shouldn't matter how much of an upset it is, or the past successes of their opponent. All goalie stats should be forfeited for the week.

there is an obvious and key difference in this G thing.

The lineup was NOT at all illegal when dressed. It became illegal during the week, without the GM being allowed to address it and avoid it.

And it's not like he could have known Hackett and Enroth would have been given 0 starts on the week...

so he should have only dressed the G of the worst team of the league without using his better G for fears something might happen and a CC decision might follow?
or his G that would have probabkly only played 1 game because his other G could have played 4 games out of 4?

Well with the rules currently in place it would suggest that if you want to be a legitimate playoff contender, or perhaps a better word would be a risk-adverse team builder. You would build your team around a goalie system, rather than individual goaltenders on separate teams to avoid any risk of this occurring whatsoever.

it's not like anyone who wants to have a full system can have it.

There are other GMs who are entitled to keep their G who currently is a back-up, like Fraser with Vasilevsky (just not to mention a more personal case).

And there are NHL trades that can break tandems anyway (Lehtonen and Lindback were in fact a tandem!)

I would argue that someone should have been on the phone to Florida on deadline day about a Lindback-Enroth swap to re-unite the tandem if they didn't want any chance of exceeding goalie starts come playoff time. Or to just roll a single starter if you are unable to complete a tandem and are afraid that there is a risk of exceeding the max GP.

Just seems like a precedent is being set here one way or another. And if nothing is done its essentially throwing the goalie start maximums out the window in the process. Personally I don't have anything invested in this, but to me it just seems that a rule is being broken and its being brushed under the rug.

[kyuss]

I would argue that someone should have been on the phone to Florida on deadline day about a Lindback-Enroth swap to re-unite the tandem if they didn't want any chance of exceeding goalie starts come playoff time. Or to just roll a single starter if you are unable to complete a tandem and are afraid that there is a risk of exceeding the max GP.

Just seems like a precedent is being set here one way or another. And if nothing is done its essentially throwing the goalie start maximums out the window in the process. Personally I don't have anything invested in this, but to me it just seems that a rule is being broken and its being brushed under the rug.

nothing has been brushed under the rug, nor I expect to be.

Fact is, I remember this argument already surfaced in the past during playoffs and what was said at the time (which I don't remember well enough) would be what matters, more than something still appearing on the out of date CBA (has not been fully updated accordingly with CC discussions and resolutions, for yrs).

One thing for sure, I have always been against of wiping out all G stats because of something happening out of the GM control (a supposed rule that is not even taken into consideration during the regular season), possibly screwing up our playoffs as a result.

That being said, if some sort of 4 games limitation was kept, Lehtonen's SO coming in the 5th or 6th game of the week is certainly at risk.

btw, Fantrax unlike CBS would probably allow for some reasonable solution.

[The BBKL Insider]

To be fair, starting 2 starters is certainly "not out of the gms control"