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Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Da_Hawks » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:04 am

To Chicago:

Ron Hainsey
Robbi Fabbri

To Buffalo
2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Bruyns » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:06 am

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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Sensfanjosh » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:21 am

Good cycle for CHI, Bourque out for a 4th and Fabbri/Hainsey in for a 2nd.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Shoalzie » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:37 am

That's a solid buy for a 2nd rounder. Usually you can only get one NHLer for a pick, let alone two.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby thom54 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:47 am

Shoalzie wrote:That's a solid buy for a 2nd rounder. Usually you can only get one NHLer for a pick, let alone two.


i see one NHL'er ..... ;)
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby CasperX22 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:03 pm

I mean the player that is likely to be picked with that pick is likely to be a better piece than those 2 combined. I'd say Matt did well here.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Da_Hawks » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:08 pm

CasperX22 wrote:I mean the player that is likely to be picked with that pick is likely to be a better piece than those 2 combined. I'd say Matt did well here.


Matt certainly did well for having to move some pieces out with Cole coming back.

I tend to gamble with my 2nd round picks, so I might as well see what Fabbri has in him. If he can get his knees back, maybe he has a Josh Baily like break-out in a couple of years. He's only 24 - anything can happen. And well, Hainsey is Hainsey. I can probably flip him at the deadline for something to help my rebuild.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Shoalzie » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:45 pm

It's interesting how people will look at "early" 2nd rounders similar to having an actual 1st round pick. Most likely that Chicago 2nd will be a top 40 pick...more than likely a top 35 pick. Since 2015, you can find a player like Aho or DeBrincat in that early 2nd round range or you can draft a guy that never makes it to the NHL in that spot or it might take them 5 years to make it. Nothing is a guarantee.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Matthew » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:04 pm

2nd rounders are usually overrated. Most likely they turn into nothing.

Given Matt is going for the cup with his team, upgrading his team (Cole), getting under the cap, and getting a pick seems solid.

Hopefully this works out for hawk too. Win-Win.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby CanadianRednek(TOR) » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:17 pm

Firsts have about a 60% chance of making it and 2nds about a 25%, 3rds a 12%
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Malette18 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:23 pm

CanadianRednek(TOR) wrote:Firsts have about a 60% chance of making it and 2nds about a 25%, 3rds a 12%

That 1st round number seems a little low based on what I've seen.

But yea, most of these models that are GP based are sort of flawed. Drafting replacement level shouldn't be the goal and that's what a GP based model is chasing.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby dave1959 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:29 pm

In order to get an accurate read of how many drafted players played at least 200 games in the NHL, a study by proicehockey.about.com looked at the drafts between 1990 and 1999. Of the 2,600 hundred players drafted just 494 or 19% played in at least 200 contests. 63% of first round picks played but less than 25% of second round picks survived and only 12% of third rounder selections. Former NHL general manager Doug MacLean said his math over the last decade showed that only 15% of second round picks ever become impact players.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Handsome&FairMike » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:50 pm

Fabbri has a lot of talent if he can stay healthy. And I can see hainsey getting flipped at the deadline for a decent return. Good trade
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Fraser » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:32 pm

Keep in mind that CHI 2nd will be around 32-34 overall.

Gotta like this for Mat..
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby CasperX22 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:14 am

dave1959 wrote:In order to get an accurate read of how many drafted players played at least 200 games in the NHL, a study by proicehockey.about.com looked at the drafts between 1990 and 1999. Of the 2,600 hundred players drafted just 494 or 19% played in at least 200 contests. 63% of first round picks played but less than 25% of second round picks survived and only 12% of third rounder selections. Former NHL general manager Doug MacLean said his math over the last decade showed that only 15% of second round picks ever become impact players.


Data from 2-3 decades ago in no way has any relevance to the NHL today given the advancements in analytics and streamlining of scouting.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby thom54 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:50 am

CasperX22 wrote:
dave1959 wrote:In order to get an accurate read of how many drafted players played at least 200 games in the NHL, a study by proicehockey.about.com looked at the drafts between 1990 and 1999. Of the 2,600 hundred players drafted just 494 or 19% played in at least 200 contests. 63% of first round picks played but less than 25% of second round picks survived and only 12% of third rounder selections. Former NHL general manager Doug MacLean said his math over the last decade showed that only 15% of second round picks ever become impact players.


Data from 2-3 decades ago in no way has any relevance to the NHL today given the advancements in analytics and streamlining of scouting.



Gotta agree, there’s a better study (can’t recall where) which breaks value down by pick ... aka a top 10 selection is waaaay different than a 29th overall- we all know this though, and each draft eventually has projected tiers
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Matthew » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:40 pm

Fabbri traded to Detroit. Should get a bit more ice time there. His chance to revitalize that career.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Da_Hawks » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:26 am

Go get'em Robbi!! I'm okay with him playing with Larkin. You listening Stevey?
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Da_Hawks » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:21 pm

2 goals already for Fabbri. Nice start.
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Re: Buffalo - Chicago

Postby Bruyns » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:47 am

Never wanted to trade the guy, but just couldn't fit him in my lineup, shopped him cheap at the draft too with no takers. Pretty sure I was still higher on him than most of the league.
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