[2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

[2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Shoalzie » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:09 am

Michael Del Zotto placed on IR [LINK]
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Arian The Insider » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:45 pm

Edmonton places Stephane Robidas on LTIR
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Mike » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:50 pm

Cody Goloubef to LTIR. I'll edit with link when back on PC.

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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby koomzzz » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:45 pm

Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Shawn Matthias ($2.125mil), Viktor Stalberg ($1.5mil) and Joakim Nordstrom ($1.275mil) >> Cap remaining: $100k
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Mike » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:34 pm

koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby koomzzz » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:07 pm

Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.


gonna need some clarification on this one
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Mike » Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:25 pm

Copy from PM, might be good reminder for rest of us

Sorry if explanation is poor, am remote and a few beers in.

When you put player x on LTIR his cap still counts. You can however exceed the cap by up to player x's salary. Any players used as IR replacements must nit already be on the roster. They can come from 1) trade, 2) free agency, or 3) your minors. If you have a guy who's waiver exempt you can demote him and subsequently recall him as the replacement.

Hope that helps, lmk if you need further explanation.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby bills09 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:32 am

Mike wrote:Copy from PM, might be good reminder for rest of us

Sorry if explanation is poor, am remote and a few beers in.

When you put player x on LTIR his cap still counts. You can however exceed the cap by up to player x's salary. Any players used as IR replacements must nit already be on the roster. They can come from 1) trade, 2) free agency, or 3) your minors. If you have a guy who's waiver exempt you can demote him and subsequently recall him as the replacement.

Hope that helps, lmk if you need further explanation.



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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby The BBKL Insider » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:37 am

Nick Bjudstad to LTIR

recalling Jimmy Vesey as roster replacement (REL1).


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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby kyuss » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:36 am

Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.

I think that's legit to start the season. There are no waivers before the season starts nor distinction from minors or active roster (as cap doesn't apply), so players can be theoretically moved down and up as replacements before the season starts.
I think there is some precedent in the past of veterans being used as LTIR replacements to start the season.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby foofnik » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:12 am

kyuss wrote:
Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.

I think that's legit to start the season. There are no waivers before the season starts nor distinction from minors or active roster (as cap doesn't apply), so players can be theoretically moved down and up as replacements before the season starts.
I think there is some precedent in the past of veterans being used as LTIR replacements to start the season.

There was a big discussion last year about it since no one besides Mike basically knew that Relief players had to be exempt or newly acquired. I don't remember how it ended but there was definitely a discussion about it so precedent could have been set there or an official rules made/altered.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby koomzzz » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:26 am

kyuss wrote:
Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.

I think that's legit to start the season. There are no waivers before the season starts nor distinction from minors or active roster (as cap doesn't apply), so players can be theoretically moved down and up as replacements before the season starts.
I think there is some precedent in the past of veterans being used as LTIR replacements to start the season.


A final verdict on this would be hugely helpful, once (if) Kucherov signs I'll have to cut major cap if I can't use anyone as relief right now
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby kyuss » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:46 am

foofnik wrote:
kyuss wrote:
Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.

I think that's legit to start the season. There are no waivers before the season starts nor distinction from minors or active roster (as cap doesn't apply), so players can be theoretically moved down and up as replacements before the season starts.
I think there is some precedent in the past of veterans being used as LTIR replacements to start the season.

There was a big discussion last year about it since no one besides Mike basically knew that Relief players had to be exempt or newly acquired. I don't remember how it ended but there was definitely a discussion about it so precedent could have been set there or an official rules made/altered.

the rule always was that in-season you can't use one your veterans as replacements without demoting them first (hence putting them on waivers. So basically it's not an option) unless they just came from trade during that week.

I think the first submission was always different though cause your veterans wouldn't need to go through waivers to be put as LTIR replacemetns when waivers are not open yet.

We would need to find that discussion from last year to see if this latter part was touched/altered.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Lee » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:21 am

I just don't get why we have these same discussions every year and never document any of the decisions.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Lee » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:00 pm

kyuss wrote:
foofnik wrote:
kyuss wrote:
Mike wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Mikhail Grabovski ($5mil) to LTIR (LINK)

Relief: Colin Greening ($2.65mil) and Michael Raffl ($2.35mil)


Did you just acquire the relief players? If already in your roster they can't be used.

I think that's legit to start the season. There are no waivers before the season starts nor distinction from minors or active roster (as cap doesn't apply), so players can be theoretically moved down and up as replacements before the season starts.
I think there is some precedent in the past of veterans being used as LTIR replacements to start the season.

There was a big discussion last year about it since no one besides Mike basically knew that Relief players had to be exempt or newly acquired. I don't remember how it ended but there was definitely a discussion about it so precedent could have been set there or an official rules made/altered.

the rule always was that in-season you can't use one your veterans as replacements without demoting them first (hence putting them on waivers. So basically it's not an option) unless they just came from trade during that week.

I think the first submission was always different though cause your veterans wouldn't need to go through waivers to be put as LTIR replacemetns when waivers are not open yet.

We would need to find that discussion from last year to see if this latter part was touched/altered.


Need to know for Huberdeau as well.
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby Handsome&FairMike » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:58 pm

I'd say week 1 it's totally fine. It's just that when that player comes back those guys need to be removed from relief and you could be put in a pinch. But if the player is out for the season you can use that relief on anyone (I.e. Nathan Horton for the leafs - they can use his cap fully).
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby koomzzz » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:06 pm

Handsome&FairMike wrote:I'd say week 1 it's totally fine. It's just that when that player comes back those guys need to be removed from relief and you could be put in a pinch. But if the player is out for the season you can use that relief on anyone (I.e. Nathan Horton for the leafs - they can use his cap fully).


Essentially what I'm expecting to do. I don't see Grabovski playing anytime soon. But if he does come back, I'd need to make corresponding moves
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Re: [2016-17] IR and LTIR Submission Thread

Postby koomzzz » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:28 am

Final decision on this?
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