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2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:11 pm
by Matthew
Op saved for whatever shoalzie wants to put here, but given the 2016 draft discussion was created a year before that draft, I figured we could open this one a few months before the 2017 draft.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:17 pm
by Matthew
I have pick 8/13/wherever Montreal finishes. I may be looking to move my picks following the expansion draft, given this is an extremely weak entry draft.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:52 pm
by hong57
Ya relatively weak.. but may still get some good prospects but it's kinda crapshoot in the first round

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:08 am
by CasperX22
Matthew wrote:Op saved for whatever shoalzie wants to put here, but given the 2016 draft discussion was created a year before that draft, I figured we could open this one a few months before the 2017 draft.


Just make good picks haha.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:44 am
by Shoalzie
I haven't paid too much attention to the first round of this draft because I don't have my pick. What makes this a weak draft? It is just weak compared to recent drafts? I don't know if there is a Eichel/McDavid/Matthews/Laine quality player at the top of the draft. There's still gotta be some decent talent but not to the level of the past few drafts with so-called "generational talent". Where would Nolan Patrick go if he was in any of the last few drafts?

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:02 am
by dave1959
I've read the top 10 is a lot weaker than normal

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:05 am
by The BBKL Insider
not Nico

he's a superstar

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:37 am
by thom54
Nolan Ryan is gonna be a two way force I think. Good for Bbkl. He'll be a borderline #1 C on a championship team

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:53 am
by The BBKL Insider
thom54 wrote:Nolan Ryan is gonna be a two way force I think. Good for Bbkl. He'll be a borderline #1 C on a championship team


Sam Bennett 2.0 = pass

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:04 am
by thom54
Ouch!

I think I am making him available in the expansion draft. Rather protect a real asset

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:24 am
by dave1959
thom54 wrote:Nolan Ryan is gonna be a two way force I think. Good for Bbkl. He'll be a borderline #1 C on a championship team


helluva baseball player too!

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:57 am
by Matthew
I think Nolan Patrick would go 4th-6th in each of the last 2 drafts. Patrick doesn't put up elite offence the way top 5 players from past years have. Not sure where Hischier would go.

But iits the rest that worry me. I've seen lists where a guy is 3rd on one list and doesn't make the top 30 on another list. It seems while there may be a few slightly better choices, this really is a "crapshoot" as Hong described it. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the 96 or 99 drafts. I think we could see some surprising picks early on in both the NHl and BbkL

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:29 pm
by thom54
Man I suck woth names early in the morning. I have Steve's disease it seems

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:44 pm
by CasperX22
Matthew wrote:I think Nolan Patrick would go 4th-6th in each of the last 2 drafts. Patrick doesn't put up elite offence the way top 5 players from past years have. Not sure where Hischier would go.

But iits the rest that worry me. I've seen lists where a guy is 3rd on one list and doesn't make the top 30 on another list. It seems while there may be a few slightly better choices, this really is a "crapshoot" as Hong described it. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the 96 or 99 drafts. I think we could see some surprising picks early on in both the NHl and BbkL


No way he would go top 6 in either of the last 2 drafts.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:45 pm
by CasperX22
dave1959 wrote:I've read the top 10 is a lot weaker than normal


Well when 20+ guys could legitimately go in top 10 and not because they should be there...yeah.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:52 pm
by Bruyns
CasperX22 wrote:
Matthew wrote:I think Nolan Patrick would go 4th-6th in each of the last 2 drafts. Patrick doesn't put up elite offence the way top 5 players from past years have. Not sure where Hischier would go.

But iits the rest that worry me. I've seen lists where a guy is 3rd on one list and doesn't make the top 30 on another list. It seems while there may be a few slightly better choices, this really is a "crapshoot" as Hong described it. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the 96 or 99 drafts. I think we could see some surprising picks early on in both the NHl and BbkL


No way he would go top 6 in either of the last 2 drafts.


I think there is an argument he is more highly regarded then Dubois, Zacha and maybe Juolevi who went top 6. Injury slowed down the hype, but heading into the season he was thought to be a potential star player and sure thing #1.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:34 pm
by Matthew
CasperX22 wrote:
Matthew wrote:I think Nolan Patrick would go 4th-6th in each of the last 2 drafts. Patrick doesn't put up elite offence the way top 5 players from past years have. Not sure where Hischier would go.

But iits the rest that worry me. I've seen lists where a guy is 3rd on one list and doesn't make the top 30 on another list. It seems while there may be a few slightly better choices, this really is a "crapshoot" as Hong described it. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the 96 or 99 drafts. I think we could see some surprising picks early on in both the NHl and BbkL


No way he would go top 6 in either of the last 2 drafts.


I'd think he would go above Zacha for sure, and be on a similar level to hanifin and possibly strome in 2015.

In 2016, I'd think he would be above juolevi, and on a similar level to tkachuk and dubois at the time of the draft. Hischier probably the same boat.

He's had injuries which means he hasn't gotten the hype a lot of other top picks have accumulated at wjc.

But he is definitely going into the draft as one of the weakest 1oa in the 2000s.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:32 pm
by timwebb1212
CasperX22 wrote:
Matthew wrote:I think Nolan Patrick would go 4th-6th in each of the last 2 drafts. Patrick doesn't put up elite offence the way top 5 players from past years have. Not sure where Hischier would go.

But iits the rest that worry me. I've seen lists where a guy is 3rd on one list and doesn't make the top 30 on another list. It seems while there may be a few slightly better choices, this really is a "crapshoot" as Hong described it. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the 96 or 99 drafts. I think we could see some surprising picks early on in both the NHl and BbkL


No way he would go top 6 in either of the last 2 drafts.

He absolutely would lol.

Over Dubois, Juolevi, and Zacha for sure. Could make the arguments regarding Tkachuk, Hanifin, Strome, and Marner.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:41 pm
by Nick
I don't think he'd be in convo with Hanifin, Strome or Marner, they are a higher skill set, which is first draft concern. Strome & Marner were amazing prospects in their draft class that happened to have two generational talents at the top of it. Some of what we're seeing creep into comparison now is post-hoc analysis of Strome not being in the NHL, that info wasn't available at the time, and it's way too early to close the door now.

We know Marner is freaking awesome. But we don't know what Strome will be like as a rookie, who knows it could be head to head with nolan next year for the Calder ? Wouldn't surprise me to see another great rookie class next year with names like McAvoy, Boeser,Sanheim, Chabot, Barzal, Puljuarvi & Kaprizov in addition to Patrick/Strome. Crazy league turnover right now.

Re: 2017 Draft Discussion

PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:44 pm
by The BBKL Insider
Daniel Sprong

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