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Postby Loki » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:08 pm

Seems like there's a legitimate push and support to raise the draft age to 19. :?
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Postby The BBKL Insider » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:40 pm

Loki wrote:Seems like there's a legitimate push and support to raise the draft age to 19. :?

It's not a bad idea. Would avoid a lot of busted picks in the early rounds. Guys would be more developed by 19.
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Postby Loki » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:45 pm

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Loki wrote:Seems like there's a legitimate push and support to raise the draft age to 19. :?

It's not a bad idea. Would avoid a lot of busted picks in the early rounds. Guys would be more developed by 19.


It would definitely help teams more, but it would suck for the players that are ready to be pros, enduring one more year of junior before they can be drafted. Also allows their ELCs to be signed later so teams get the players for cheaper for longer.
I wonder how you'd migrate to it though, like say they suddenly changed it to 19 next year, it would just be all leftovers left to draft in the transition year because everyone would be pushed back to 2019.
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Postby Lee » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:51 pm

like the raps getting barganani instead of Durant
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Postby Arian The Insider » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:35 pm

Keep it at 18. Players that aren't ready will just go back to junior, college, europe, etc. Shouldn't hold back elite NHL-ready prospects.
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Postby Loki » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:46 pm

Scott Wheeler (now of The Athletic): "Pat Lafontaine just said on SN590 that there's consensus in the hockey world to move to a 19-year-old draft. It's really going to happen."
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Postby hong57 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:08 pm

Arian The Insider wrote:Keep it at 18. Players that aren't ready will just go back to junior, college, europe, etc. Shouldn't hold back elite NHL-ready prospects.


owners want to keep them longer for cheaper.. owners are greedy... no olympics
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Postby Arian The Insider » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:12 pm

hong57 wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:Keep it at 18. Players that aren't ready will just go back to junior, college, europe, etc. Shouldn't hold back elite NHL-ready prospects.


owners want to keep them longer for cheaper.. owners are greedy... no olympics

How do the owners keep them for longer? Would the ELC move to 4 years?
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Postby Loki » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:34 pm

Arian The Insider wrote:
hong57 wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:Keep it at 18. Players that aren't ready will just go back to junior, college, europe, etc. Shouldn't hold back elite NHL-ready prospects.


owners want to keep them longer for cheaper.. owners are greedy... no olympics

How do the owners keep them for longer? Would the ELC move to 4 years?


Top end draft picks would sign their ELC at 19 rather than at 18. So you'd get them on the ELC until 22 rather than 21. Extra year of their prime for peanuts.
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Postby Arian The Insider » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:45 pm

Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:
hong57 wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:Keep it at 18. Players that aren't ready will just go back to junior, college, europe, etc. Shouldn't hold back elite NHL-ready prospects.


owners want to keep them longer for cheaper.. owners are greedy... no olympics

How do the owners keep them for longer? Would the ELC move to 4 years?


Top end draft picks would sign their ELC at 19 rather than at 18. So you'd get them on the ELC until 22 rather than 21. Extra year of their prime for peanuts.

But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro
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Postby bills09 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:46 pm

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Postby Loki » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:54 pm

Arian The Insider wrote:But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro

Sure, but we're only really talking about the players who could play in the NHL at 18, the ones who wouldn't be ready aren't really affected as like you said, their ELC doesn't kick in until they play that 10 games in the NHL.
It's good for the CHL as it guarantees them another year of players like McDavid etc... but totally screws McDavid himself
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Postby Arian The Insider » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:01 pm

Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro

Sure, but we're only really talking about the players who could play in the NHL at 18, the ones who wouldn't be ready aren't really affected as like you said, their ELC doesn't kick in until they play that 10 games in the NHL.
It's good for the CHL as it guarantees them another year of players like McDavid etc... but totally screws McDavid himself

They might get those guys on their ELC until 22 but they also lose their 18 year old season too. I guess there's a bit of a value gain on those few players each year. I wonder if the main reason is that teams want to the extra year of development so they can draft better lol.
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Postby bills09 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:17 pm

I bet you would see more players follow the Auston Matthews route and play in Europe for their 18 year old seasons
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Postby Loki » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:08 am

Arian The Insider wrote:
Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro

Sure, but we're only really talking about the players who could play in the NHL at 18, the ones who wouldn't be ready aren't really affected as like you said, their ELC doesn't kick in until they play that 10 games in the NHL.
It's good for the CHL as it guarantees them another year of players like McDavid etc... but totally screws McDavid himself

They might get those guys on their ELC until 22 but they also lose their 18 year old season too. I guess there's a bit of a value gain on those few players each year. I wonder if the main reason is that teams want to the extra year of development so they can draft better lol.


Haha yeah I imagine a big part of it is teams feeling like they'll draft better if they can see the players available a year later than they currently do. Especially for the later rounds. I wonder if maybe they'll even do something like first round is 18+ and second round onwards is 19+ or something
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Postby hong57 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:42 am

Arian The Insider wrote:
Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro

Sure, but we're only really talking about the players who could play in the NHL at 18, the ones who wouldn't be ready aren't really affected as like you said, their ELC doesn't kick in until they play that 10 games in the NHL.
It's good for the CHL as it guarantees them another year of players like McDavid etc... but totally screws McDavid himself

They might get those guys on their ELC until 22 but they also lose their 18 year old season too. I guess there's a bit of a value gain on those few players each year. I wonder if the main reason is that teams want to the extra year of development so they can draft better lol.


18 years old is really not as productive... apart from those generational talents.. owners would preferably get their picks play their first season at 19 rather than 18.. their first year in ELC would definitely be more productive and helpful for the team..
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Postby hong57 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:45 am

Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:
Loki wrote:
Arian The Insider wrote:But the ELC doesn't kick in until you start playing pro

Sure, but we're only really talking about the players who could play in the NHL at 18, the ones who wouldn't be ready aren't really affected as like you said, their ELC doesn't kick in until they play that 10 games in the NHL.
It's good for the CHL as it guarantees them another year of players like McDavid etc... but totally screws McDavid himself

They might get those guys on their ELC until 22 but they also lose their 18 year old season too. I guess there's a bit of a value gain on those few players each year. I wonder if the main reason is that teams want to the extra year of development so they can draft better lol.


Haha yeah I imagine a big part of it is teams feeling like they'll draft better if they can see the players available a year later than they currently do. Especially for the later rounds. I wonder if maybe they'll even do something like first round is 18+ and second round onwards is 19+ or something


I have some reservation on the bold part. Becoz there will be more "overagers" in the CHL, which will inflate their stats quite a bit (like we are talking about D+1 usually being much more productive than D or D-1), as a person like me which looks at stats quite a bit, it'd say it would be hard to tell whether the player is really good and improved or due to them being better just becoz they are overagers. For professional and NHL scouts, maybe (i don't know) they can tell the difference
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Postby thom54 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:09 am

also pushes back (for the elite) their UFA start times
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Postby kyuss » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:09 am

Loki wrote:Seems like there's a legitimate push and support to raise the draft age to 19. :?

horrible news
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