BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Matthew » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm

koomzzz wrote:Paul is in my lineup as a W but position is C. Will that impact my scoring? I used the checkbox on the spreadsheet and he was put into a C spot, so I figured I was good. Seems like that's not true.


There are a few lineups I will force legal (including your own).

Montreal and NYI will need to change their rosters since the positional changes gave them less than 3C in their lineups. Not sure which people with commissioner powers know how to do that after lock...Scott?
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:48 pm

The rollercoaster of going between having 2 to 5 viable centers multiple times through the season is a headache :/
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby dave1959 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:52 pm

Loki wrote:The rollercoaster of going between having 2 to 5 viable centers multiple times through the season is a headache :/


I agree, it's ridiculous
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Chuck Norris » Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:23 pm

Matthew wrote:
koomzzz wrote:Paul is in my lineup as a W but position is C. Will that impact my scoring? I used the checkbox on the spreadsheet and he was put into a C spot, so I figured I was good. Seems like that's not true.


There are a few lineups I will force legal (including your own).

Montreal and NYI will need to change their rosters since the positional changes gave them less than 3C in their lineups. Not sure which people with commissioner powers know how to do that after lock...Scott?

Fixed mine. Sorry had my spreadsheet reflecting the change but didnt get to fantrax in time.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Shoalzie » Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:40 pm

Yup, we'll fix it. Let me know what you want to do.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby kyuss » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:36 am

foofnik wrote:Note the position import used 15GP last season and .40 as the threshold so guys between 15-19GP and .40-.44 will be different and need to be manually changed here

I did change those that I found (GP wise especially)
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby kyuss » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:38 am

Loki wrote:The rollercoaster of going between having 2 to 5 viable centers multiple times through the season is a headache :/

you can always trade those for steady Ws or steady Cs if they bother you that much :P

not to mention, if the GM gets surprised by those positional changes it means he hasn't been paying attention. The FOR of each player is consistently displayed on Fantrax team page
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:23 am

kyuss wrote:
Loki wrote:The rollercoaster of going between having 2 to 5 viable centers multiple times through the season is a headache :/

you can always trade those for steady Ws or steady Cs if they bother you that much :P

not to mention, if the GM gets surprised by those positional changes it means he hasn't been paying attention. The FOR of each player is consistently displayed on Fantrax team page


I'm not saying we can't track when they're going to change, it's just a very weird meta thing to have to track to make your roster work several times a year :lol:
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby kyuss » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:29 am

NHL teams change some of their players' position through the season as well!
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:36 am

kyuss wrote:NHL teams change some of their players' position through the season as well!


Haha sure but they have the choice to play someone else at center when they do it. They don’t decide to just run with 3 centres now. :lol:
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby kyuss » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:37 am

yeah NHL teams are usually a little deeper than the BBKL Devils :P
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:40 am

And most aren’t as deep as the BBKL Preds :p
The point is we don’t get to choose how to deploy our own forwards
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby kyuss » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:31 am

the tough life of BBKL GMs, sabotaged by a league where the boss Shoalzie has yet to prepare breakfast for them
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Matthew » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:21 am

kyuss wrote:the tough life of BBKL GMs, sabotaged by a league where the boss Shoalzie has yet to prepare breakfast for them


Lol
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Da_Hawks » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:30 am

Wait - we get breakfast with our membership? Ya'll have been holding out on me.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Shoalzie » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:33 am

When do we not have some early season drama? Honestly, the calendar flipped to October and you blink and next thing you know it's already opening night. It moved quickly. I had a few nights leading up to the start that I just couldn't get to anything I wanted to get to. I'm juggling work and family just like a lot of us are. I'm trying squeeze every drop of free time I have to be able to do what I want to do...this league being one of those things.

Let's just get things right...the position stuff was a headache to get implemented right before the season started. I spent so much of my summer on the rebuild of the sheets and I didn't do a lot of the information side of this project until the very end.

We use a results-driven value to assign C and W. In-season that system works well but we're using the designation from the end of last to determine this year's positions but it's quite possible the player might have a completely different role with their team to start this season or they might be on a new team all together.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:55 pm

To be clear I’m not sure how anyone took my comment as criticism of the work that Shoalzie does or any of the CC in terms of getting positions updated in time. I appreciate the hell out of all the time you guys put in.

I think if you read my first comment again it’s pretty clear that I’m simply saying that the positions changing for forwards several times a year is a recurring headache for managing your team. This isn’t anything new, it’s been a pain point for the league for years to have to continue to update this and deal with the consequences.

Again it’s not me complaining about having to make a roster tweak to become compliant, I’ve had plenty of times where I’ve also ended up with more centres than I needed, but it’s a weirdly unique situation that feels like it serves no real purpose and I’m simply making an offhand comment that maybe we should consider whether we’re actually achieving anything with all this work.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Shoalzie » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:45 pm

So you went with Newhook, Point and Tierney as your centers? Are good on Fantrax now?

I fixed your Week 1 sheet too...just copied the formulas from Week 2 and just did the check box.
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Loki » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Shoalzie wrote:So you went with Newhook, Point and Tierney as your centers? Are good on Fantrax now?

I fixed your Week 1 sheet too...just copied the formulas from Week 2 and just did the check box.


Yep I'm all good for this week, thanks for your help and sorry for breaking the sheet in Week 1 :lol:
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Re: BBKL policy for Centers and Wingers

Postby Shoalzie » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:13 pm

To be honest, you can probably get away with copying stuff from all the sheets except the Preseason sheet...it's not quite the same setup.
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