GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Matthew » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 am

kyuss wrote:
Matthew wrote:
kyuss wrote:
Matthew wrote:Not a mantra. Repeating a fact.

allowing for sub. injured players under specific regulations during playoffs only would not turn BBKL into a daily league, you're repeating as a fact something that would not be a fact.

Matthew wrote:I'm one of the most active members and I don't want to have to check that everyday. Especially if I'm out camping or fishing or on vacation etc.

if you happen to be on vacation during our playoffs you can always ask a buddy of yours for help to monitor things more closely than you could do yourself over those days, could be someone in the league as well. Seems hardly like something that should prevent the league from improving


Improvement in your opinion. I think it would make it worse.

Anyone a bit less active gets hammered in the playoffs after working all season to make it.

more like "anyone who doesn't even care about his team during the playoffs", lol.

It would also be an improvement in resembling a bit more real life playoff series: you don't see teams playing shorthanded as the series run deeper just because their regular players suffered injuries in the previous games of the series, their depth is part of the things that go into their chances to win the big prize


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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Sensfanjosh » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:46 am

It's hard enough to keep the league full and active now I dont know that expecting further investment and or activity is practical. It also doesnt make sense to have a new set of rules for the playoffs imo
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Da_Hawks » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:58 am

Sensfanjosh wrote:It's hard enough to keep the league full and active now I dont know that expecting further investment and or activity is practical. It also doesnt make sense to have a new set of rules for the playoffs imo


Don't you think that people would be more invested in their teams knowing that they aren`t just an injury away from being eliminated?
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Sensfanjosh » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:16 am

1: 85% of BBKL is rebuilding any given year because there are really only 4-6 teams that realistically can win any given year
2: Many of our GMs aren't all that active to begin with so I can't see them logging in every day to reset lineups should they make the playoffs
3: I'm not sure that this would have a profound impact on final results anyways as most teams don't have a lot of depth and the impact of squeezing 1 or 2 more gp per week wouldn't be likely to swing a loss into a win anyways.
4: It would lead to the further hoarding of NHL players and the need to institute a GP max as well leading to more rules, more regulation and more upkeep for the CC which already has a tough enough time
5: Why have two sets of rules for a single league.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Sensfanjosh » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:17 am

I understand wanting to use the players you assemble, especially as a team that builds around depth, and I have lost a fair number of categories just this year due to lineup decisions that were out of my hands due to COVID/injury but I don't know that the alternative you are proposing works very well is all.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby kyuss » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:18 am

Sensfanjosh wrote:1: 85% of BBKL is rebuilding any given year because there are really only 4-6 teams that realistically can win any given year
2: Many of our GMs aren't all that active to begin with so I can't see them logging in every day to reset lineups should they make the playoffs

no one ever suggested to turn our playoffs in a daily league... no need to reset lineups every day..
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Da_Hawks » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:38 am

Sensfanjosh wrote:I understand wanting to use the players you assemble, especially as a team that builds around depth, and I have lost a fair number of categories just this year due to lineup decisions that were out of my hands due to COVID/injury but I don't know that the alternative you are proposing works very well is all.


Hard to really say if it works or not. I wasn`t here when the prior discussions occured so the argument period is still fresh for me.

So far the only real reasons I get are hoarding players and GMs aren`t interested enough.

To me I don`t see how this should be the deciding factor when looking at rules. We shouldn`t be punishing good and active GMs because we have others who haven`t yet built up good teams and/or are not as interested.

Again, we are not looking at making this a daily league for the entire year - only the playoffs and only in the event of an injury. I really like the Shoalzie rule where if you take a player out, they cannot go back in. This concept, to me, merits further discussion in the off-season. I truly believe this would make the playoff experience more intense, increase the trade activity in the league and overall enjoyment in the last month of bbkl action.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby dave1959 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:57 am

perhaps have a limit of 2 or 3 subsitutions
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby kyuss » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:04 am

What was suggested and discussed in the past was having the chance to use bench players to sub injured players (the latter would be done for the matchup)

And since with the RS bench you can't even cover all 4 positions, it was suggested to increase the number of players allowed on the bench for playoffs.

Btw, in the NHL with pro-rated cap hits they can basically go over the cap during playoffs, which allows teams more room to spend at the deadline, comparing to our case. If there was something of that sort in BBKL you would see teams out of the playoffs able to make profits at the deadline that can't be made right now, because some players with fat salaries would have a market for the playoffs.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Bruyns » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:50 am

There are no waivers and salary cap in nhl playoffs
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Matthew » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 pm

Seems bruyns, then Mik, then will and Arian top 4 in the poll. Surprised thom and lak didn't get more votes.

I'm going to change the poll now.

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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby kyuss » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:10 pm

Bruyns wrote:There are no waivers and salary cap in nhl playoffs

and on the contrary, our salaries are not pro-rated so contenders don't have cap room to pay rebuilders for their players, and we can't use depth anyway because once an injury happens during the matchup even the players on the bench are useless.

Having a situation where after the deadline only the lineup counts against the cap and GMs can pick x amount of players to sit on their bench and to pick from in case of injury would improve things (obviously the bench players' stats would only count from the day the player replaces the injured one)

Not that I expect BBKL to consider something like this :|
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Da_Hawks » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:40 pm

kyuss wrote:
Bruyns wrote:There are no waivers and salary cap in nhl playoffs

and on the contrary, our salaries are not pro-rated so contenders don't have cap room to pay rebuilders for their players, and we can't use depth anyway because once an injury happens during the matchup even the players on the bench are useless.

Having a situation where after the deadline only the lineup counts against the cap and GMs can pick x amount of players to sit on their bench and to pick from in case of injury would improve things (obviously the bench players' stats would only count from the day the player replaces the injured one)

Not that I expect BBKL to consider something like this :|


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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Shoalzie » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:05 am

The fact we have another team entering the league and we're (hopefully) coming out of two unusual (and shortened) seasons, why shouldn't we shake things up without completely blowing up what we have built up to now? Considering we're already doing a one-off realignment because the NHL did this year, why not allow some teams swap identities? Arizona already has to shift to the Central. If we actually did this, I'd just assume we hold off on it until after the drafts this summer...less admin work if you catch my drift.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby dave1959 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:06 am

I have no problem with allowing teams to swap identities, and do it when it's the least amount of work for you Scott.
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby kimmer » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:55 am

ok then. let me have SJS. Thx
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Re: GDT - Week 13 Final Notice

Postby Florida Chris » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:19 pm

So if a player got traded to a Canadian team, they have to quarantine for 7 days, do they still count towards the cap for our playoffs ?
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