Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Sensfanjosh » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:44 pm

Your dislike of Mik and or Kuznetzov doesnt mean everyone has to agree and I think that Weber at 30 is worth less than Weber at 25 and most people would agree.
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:46 pm

god, some funny names in that list
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby CasperX22 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:55 pm

Sensfanjosh wrote:Your dislike of Mik and or Kuznetzov doesnt mean everyone has to agree and I think that Weber at 30 is worth less than Weber at 25 and most people would agree.


Sure they are entitled to their own opinion just as I am to my own. I've also clearly stated why my opinion is what it is. I've also stated that I think he is a very good player, but not an elite one and he is now being paid like an elite player, so it has nothing to do with hatred for Kuznetsov.
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Tony » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:34 pm

Hartman + 1st
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Lee » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:42 pm

2018 1st FLA
Marcus Pettersson
One of Bellows / Laberge / Poehling
Clague / Guhle

for

Kuz
2nd
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Bruyns » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Strong offer Lee
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Lee » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:48 pm

People can talk shit all the want but when there's a player I like, I make strong offers.
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kimmer » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:04 pm

thats basically three 1sts for kuz 2nd in value
fact that there are no proven active nhlers in the package warrants that much at least
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kimmer » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:11 pm

just realized its not even elias pettersson lol. whos marcus pettersson haha
bryuns must love this guy
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Bruyns » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:46 pm

kimmer wrote:just realized its not even elias pettersson lol. whos marcus pettersson haha
bryuns must love this guy


Would have been big overpay with Elias, take him and the 2nd out and it's still a 1st and two good prospects for Kuz.
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby timwebb1212 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:11 am

kyuss wrote:god, some funny names in that list

Like who?
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:32 am

the funniest were probably nowadays E.Staal, Kadri and Kreicj, but there were others.. just would like to avoid derailing this thread even further
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:57 am

anyway, still at least 4 teams well into this, don't know what I'll do but depending on how things evolve today a decision might come as early as tonight
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:18 am

CasperX22 wrote:
kyuss wrote:
CasperX22 wrote:
kyuss wrote:
CasperX22 wrote:You are aware that the prime for forwards rate stats peak at 24 and start to decline into their late 20's right? Sure pp1 time might help him if there was a huge gap between their 1st and 2nd unit. The 2nd unit also runs through Kuzy. It won't on the 1st unit. All these factors come into play.

lol


Hey if you think you have an elite #1 center there by all means keep him. One way or another you are going to have to move some bloated contracts.

I loled at the fact you make it sound like he's about to decline while he's just coming off his 3rd full NHL season.. or no big deal going from 2nd PP unit to 1st

CasperX22 wrote:Out of curiosity though, how many points do you think Kuznetsov will score next year?

about PPG, he basically was that already 2 seasons ago while on PP2


I never said anything about declining. I said his rate stats have likely peaked. And you are delusional if you think Kuznetsov will be a ppg player next season. 1. Bc he is not that good. He needed an incredibly fortunate set of circumstances to get to 77 in 2015-2016. 2. He is not the 1st line center in the team. 3. His possession metrics and zone entry metrics are not elite. 4. I don't even think he will move up to the 1st unit. It's pointless bc that unit basically runs through Ovi and Backstrom. Plus somebody has to run that 2nd unit.

LOL. One year later this seems settled already.
Not only Kuz was over a PPG in regular season, one could argue he was the best skater in the league during the playoffs overall.
In the process, not only he was on par with Backstrom's level, he actually outplayed him in both PO and RS (when Backstrom wasn't playing through an injury).
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby cliff11 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:25 am

lol
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kimmer » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:36 am

kimmer wrote:Kuznetsov
Mason

for

Niemi (.700)
Rakell
2019 1st CAR
2019 2nd CAR

This wudve been a good deal for u

And ouch kasper
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:52 am

though in a different deal in those same days Mason brought me 2019 1st Rounder (OTT) + Aleksi Saarela who then basically turned into a late 1st (in another deal), so you'd have to subtract those 1sts from what I'd have got from you..

if you look at it like:

Kuznetsov
2019 1st OTT
2019 1st WSH

for

Niemi
Rakell
2019 1st CAR
2019 2nd CAR

it's not that good despite Rakell's career year
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby Bruyns » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:57 am

That 2019 CAR pick is Hughes though so it's still a much better offer.
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby kyuss » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:08 am

You can't even know for sure it's going to be a higher pick than Ottawa's, let alone being Hughes
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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov on the block

Postby CasperX22 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:45 pm

Guess he should Thank Backstrom for taking the tough matchups and sheltering him eh ;)

Backstrom cf rel% 4.81 Kuznetsov cf rel% -0.40
Backstrom gf rel% 11.55 Kuznetsov gf rel% 4.44
Backstrom off zone fo% 51.62 Kuznetsov off zone fo% 56.28
Backstrom scf rel% 4.23 Kuznetsov scf rel% 1.64

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Congratulations: Backstrom makes Kuznetsov's job easy.
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